it wasn't jack lew that reached that agreement. he also, when he agreed to the budget spending reductions as part of the budget control act, 18 months ago, he -- he proposed a budget, the next budget that they put forward, wiped out 60% of those cuts, even though he agreed to them in august and january, he was proposing to giving back 60% of them and spending more money -- >> greta: i guess it's pretty clear -- i guess it's pretty clear you have a strong opinion on this one? >> i really do. i can never forget that hearing. it was one of the most dramatic things i have ever participated in. when the office of management and budget looked us in the eye and insisted that they were correctly -- they were correct in saying their budget would have paid down the debt, when it did not. >> greta: senator, always nice to see you. thank you, sir. >> thank you, greta. >> greta: if jack lew becomes treasury secretary, our economy will be in his hands. but can most americans pick lew out of a lineup in griff jenkins hit the ground tow find out.